The Islamic State debate

Following is a debate on Khilafah and Islamic dawah that I picked up between two professionals discussing the practicality and the methodology of doing Dawah in Islam. Hope the conversation will give some food for thought.

Person M:  I think the situation in the land we are living in is more or less like Macca, not like Medina. Here I assume that we are accepting the curse of nationalism which gave us a gift of a state we are living in. I don’t know whether we can assume Dhaka area as Macca and Chittagong area or some other area as Madina so that we can reconcile our situation with the situation of the Prophet (pbuh). Again you see I cannot assume so because there was not one single baatil regime ruling over Macca and Madina like our Dhk and Ctg are ruled by one ruling authority. So I have to assume that the whole land of BD state is like Macca where so-called democracy+secularism is ruling. In Macca pagan politheism was the ruling authority which can be compared with the present ruling system in BD. beside having the curse of democracy+secularism, we have shirk of vondo peers & their followers in disguise of Islam, TJ’s sufism, Qabar & Mazar pujaris’ shirk… 

So, let me know where and how do you find a place here in BD like Madina to migrate (or without being migrated) and to be welcomed by some hundreds of Ansars and Muhajers? You are here in any place of BD, at the same time, welcomed and not welcomed as soon as you speak up on behalf of the Prophet’s (pbuh) authentic sunnah ways. As long as you do not have a combination of land & people like Madina, how do you want to establish Khilafa right now? Please solve the riddle for me.

Person A: Brother, there is no compulsion in religion (La IKRAHA FID DEEN). But, after submitting to Islam, there is NO COMPROMISE WITH DENIERS (FALA TUTEIL MUKADHIBIN). Do I have a covenant or a dalil from Allah that I can abet HIS swt laws or that I can cherry pick between HIS swt Laws and other laws not from HIM? Can someone “choose” between Truth and Falsehood once they have surrendered to the Truth? To submit and establish the rule of Truth is not and can not be contingent upon circumstances of pragmatism. Time and place are irrelevant when calling for truth, justice and faith. Muslim’s position and strength is not in numbers of people, finances or arms but in his courage to speak the truth against all odds. Lets try solve your riddle now ia. Most people consider Dawah of Islam as a pass time to earn khair and stake a claim to the honorable place of the noble sahabas. Do they think that dawah is that easy? Are they looking for a “short cut” to quickly reform and “Islamize” certain codes and call themselves Islamic and thereby earn kudos from the Muslims and the Dhalimoon simultaneously. Do they think they can call to Islam like the sahabas did, without disturbing the existing socio-political status quo which will invite the wrath of the security apparatus? Many daees will quickly turn away from the “hard” dawah that draws politics into religion or talks of foreign conflicts in distant lands in the name of an abstract Ummah and create more problems for peaceful missionary activities. So, in the face of such adversities, what do we do? GIVE UP? Can we break our covenant with Allah swt that we will never submit to any other authority except HIM swt? If the current locality is full of bidahs and shirk should we simply fold our hands and say “sorry brother this place is infested with corrupt thoughts about Islam so we can not do the Dawah to establish Islam here. Lets go elsewhere or let soneone else in another place work for establishing the Deen there“. Surely that is not the way. Where the Deen will be established is not for us to decide, that is the domain of the Creator. The conditions of people will not change until they change what is within themselves and for that reason Muslims are dutibound to make the call for Islam to be established as the way of life. What stops us from doing that bit only?
Person M:  I assume that in BD somehow you have found a place and situation like Madina. I have to assume so, because you are all out to make the state right now. Prophet (pbuh) had not even formed the state like laws and systems right after Hijrah (let alone in Macca). He went through many situations in Madina for some years until he finally made the Madina constitution. Let me know how did you reconcile that situation with your present idea and effort?

Person A: No I did not find any Medina-like-situation anywhere in the world and whoever said that the Islamic State will be formed “right now”? Nobody can assuredly say that, as only ALLAH swt knows that reality. It will not come by simply wishful dreaming brother. This is not a jojova’s witness type of missionary affair….. A bit of correction in history, if you please. The Charter of Medina was one of the very first things that the Holy Prophet (saw) did after establishing the Islamic State of Medina. Some say immediately after Hijrah. Ibn Ishaq’s Seerah Rasul Allah says between the time of Hijrat and Badr it was complete.

But I understand the spirit of your question. This is not from you but this is the conditioning of the orientalists who say, “what do you know about Islam and state craft in Islam? Did you do your homework? Have you studied the scriptures by the faqis, historians and Islamic thinkers? You should know the hukm on social, political, international law and other branches as a prerequisite to talk of universal Islamic system. Please do your research and become more knowledgeable before talking about these BIG things”. That is the trap they have laid for the revivers of the Deen. None of that detail is necessary at the moment. These are exactly what they are – branches of the tree, NOT the tree itself. The tree will be strong, with sweet fruits, when the roots are well grounded. The root is the oath of loyalty through the shahadah of Tawheed. If the root is under attack then why are we being forced to worry about the branches and the leaves? We can fix the root and expect a strong tree, not the other way round.

Person M:  Now I assume that you could convince me in both the above two querries and I assume that right now you are living in a place of some thousnads or millions of people like the Ansars+Muhajers. In that favourable situation in Madina, Prophet (pbuh) established his own court beside Kaab Ibn Ashraf’s court i.e. the Jewish court. And the Prophet (pbuh) made seperate treaties with seperate tribes & groups in Madina so that no group could bother in his affairs related to Muslims only. Is it not right that Muslims were the minority in Madina with respect to each individual groups? May be Muslims were minority in Madina with respect to sum of all other groups but not all other groups were ready to unitedly attack Muslims.

Let me know what is your idea of getting things done here in BD today if you want to reconcile with the situation of the holly Prophet (pbuh)?

Person A: Brother, please imagine for a moment that I am a homeless person. What I want first is a house. You are telling me to think about my future neighbours and their issues when I dont even have a house! The cold winter chill will destroy me and those around me if I cant find shelter and my house will remain in the grey clouds. My neighbours did not thnk about me when they built their houses …
Prophet (pbuh) did not kick out Kaab’s court at the very first place. And I don’t think that if Kaab were not hostile to the Muslims and if would not attempt to damage the harmony among the Muslims in Madina, Prophet (pbuh) would not bother Kaab at all because Kaab’s court was loosing its effectivity from the beggining because of trustworthiness of the Muslims’ court led by Prophet (pbuh). Even Kaab’s fellow Jews started going to the Muslims’ court for justice.

Person A: Let me know what should be your approach now? Our approach can not be other than the Islamic way. WE ARE THE CIVILIZATION for the world. We believe in the rule of law not the “with me or against me” doctrine. We have codes of conduct in war and peace and we have had international law long before other people knew what it was. The justice system of Islam is the crowning jewel of its history. So, we have a very well defined jurisdical system to deal with legalities. I will spare the details. BUT, know this, we dont take law unto our own hands because that is not the way….

Person M: You need to establish your court first or you will ask me to kick the court of present ruler of BD and establish Khilafa? I assume somehow we Muslims have a seperate ruling system under your leadership beside the present ruling system of BD govt or you somehow kicked out BD govt’s ruling.

Person A: You misunderstood the method of Dawah to Islam. The oath of loyalty to Allah swt is with immediate effect upon submission to it. Even if we lived in the ocean we would be oathbound to that submission, like the Prophet Yunus AS. Even if we lived in Egypt under Firaun we would have no other choice but to tell Firaun to get lost. Why? Because that is the demand for submission to the Lord of the Universe. If we connect with HIM swt then who is Firaun or Qaroon or Abu Jahl?

Person M: Now can you force those bhondo peers to leave their practice as long as it does not do anything inhumane or interfere with the Muslim community under your leadership? Also can you force the Qabar Pujaris to quit their puja? I think you cannot do that if you want to reconcile your way with the way of the Prophet (pbuh).   
Like I said earlier, we believe in the rule of law. Under an Islamic state there will be shariah courts to deal with murtadeen. What’s the problem with that? Only problem is that we dont have shariah courts because there is no Islamic State which can handle that issue…solution: once you have an Islamic State you will have shariah courts and proper qadis who will deal with that situation, just like a civilized, accomplished and sophisticated society deals with situations, as Abu Bakr (RA) did. But please do not propagate anything violent against anyone until then.

If I suggest you to build your (better to say, our because I want to be with you) own institutions first like Shariah court for Muslims (for civil laws), banks, schools… and at the same time we continue giving dawa of Tawheed to all people so that one day all our institutions and stronghold of true Muslims will automatically start rulling the land based on Qur’an and Sunnah because even if majority people do not come to join with you but they will need to put trust on your system (like the jews even put trust on the Muslims’ court in Madina although there was Kaab’s court).

Person A: Brother, is that strategy from the seerah of the Makkan period? You had agreed that the case was more like Makkah not Medinah so why did you cross floors? Besides, more importantly, from whom should I take my Dawah strategy? From Khomeini, Mahatir, Ziaul Huq, Zakir Naik or AR Green? You or Me? I dont think so. I think I will put my trust in the best of Creation Khuluqin Adheem, Rahmat Al Alamin the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw). He (saw) gave us a different method, the only thing is that it is a difficult path, not for the faint hearted…and many people are dperived of its facts and the nature of its methods.

Person M: Untill then on what ground you demand Khilafa right now? (and to whom you are deamanding?).

Person A: Brother, I did not demand anything from you!! Rather, “You” demanded it, because you took the oath of loyalty and you made a pact with ALLAH swt. You are a free man through your shahadah. Do as you wish bro…..

Person M: You said “Prior to Hijrat to Madina the sahabas (RA) simply struggled to get a STATE where all the Islamic concepts could be fully materialsed”

Is it true? Did they even know about the definition of STATE before Madina Sanad? All they did is they procalimed the Shahada in Macca and they were concern about saving their lives there for 13 years. Yes they did struggle for the STATE because their shahdah rejected the sovereign authority of the then existing system of council of elders of Quraysh, i.e. it was political at the highest level from day 1 and that is why the political leadership and not the religious establsihment went up in arms against the Muslims. Our historians prefer not to mention this because otherwise their books will not be published and they will not be famous or renowned scholars. About saving their own lives….you are being unjust to yourself. They dared to defy the pagan tribal authorities through a non violent political movement aimed at nothing less than removing the very leaders of Arabia and the Custodians of the Holiest Shrine in the world. Their courage is unparalled in history. We ought to be careful about the sahabas (RAA).

They did not even ask their people to accept Islam but few people willingly (and due to some situations) accepted Islam.

Person B: Brother, these people went as far as Abyssinia and told the court of Negus what they knew about Islam and even recited suarh Maryam from the Holy Book!!! Sumayya was brutally killed and became the first shaheed because she reverted to Islam through her son!!! Abu Bakr (RA) did not wait to tell his friends. Umar (RA)’s sister gave dawah to the most feared man in Makkah, Umar (RA) himself after she was struck by him!!! where did you get your facts about passive dawah by the sahabis (RAA)??

Person M: Only the Prophet (PBUH) was different than his fellow few Muslims. He was openly calling people to leave their Shirk. Who can prove me that the Prophet (PBUH) and his few companions in Macca ever asked any leader of Macca to quit his system of ruling?

Person A:  My brother, we have a lot to catch up with. Remember the dawah by the Prophet (saw) to the Quraysh elders at his house with Ali (RA) by his side? Remember the meeting at the foot of the Safa hill? Remember the procession by Hamzah and Umar (RAA)? Remember the slap on Abu Jahal’s (Quraysh chief) face by Hamzah for insulting the Prophet (saw)? Remeber when the Prophet (saw) was reprimanded by Allah swt for ignoring the blind man when he was talking to the leaders of the Quraysh? Remember the meeting between the Prophet (saw) and Al Walid – the head of Bani Makhzum? Lets stop for a break…. bro is it not wise to take things in their proper context? What do you call a meeting of the Security Council or NATO generals? Is it a religious meeting of christians working on pogrom or is it a political strategy meeting deciding on important issues?

Person M: Maccan leaders were only asked to leave idol worshipping and to proclaim Shahada. Even though leaving idol worhipping/ Shirk could have been the reason for loosing the Maccan leaders’ power of oppression but no one can prove that the Prophet (PBUH), at the very first place, asked the Maccan leaders to quit their leadership.

Person A: Brother did you miss the point in the shahadah where they would have to submit to another Lord, ALLAH swt, and give up their lordship over the land and the people? They will have to surrender to ALLAH and to the command of HIS Rasool (saw). That is the most politically charged statement one can expect while being in power. From King to salve, metaphorically. Who would want to do that? Obviously the chiefs stood to loose the most from this radical change and that is why they became paranoid to save their position of power and prestige.

Person M: All Prophets started with giving one dawa and that was Tawheed. May be establishing state was a part of establishing Tawheed on the land but they did not ask anyone to establish a state at the very first place. 

Person A: Nope. Almost all of them asked the leader of their time to step aside and hand over Lordship to ALLAH swt. Almost all the Prophets AS faced off their political leaders in their respective societies. Remeber Musa AS, Isa son of Mariam AS, Ibraheem AS, Daud AS, Yusuf AS. But ofcourse our example is none other than the Holy Prophet Muhammad sallillahu alaihi wa sallam.

Person M: Now let me tell something reagrding the priority job to be. Why do I think that our priority 1 job should be targetting the Peerbadi-Sufibadi-Mazarbadi-qabarbadi? Because if the enemy of the Tawheedi belivers is none but the prevailing Secularism and Democracy (i.e. Kuffar) and if all these Mazarbadi/Peerbadi/Qabar-pujabadi… are the main patron of this kuffar, then who should be challenged first? Bangabandhu Mazar, Zia Mazar and assemblies of most of the so-called Muslim politicians and bussinesmen in these two Mazars as well as in Shah-Jalal, Shah Poran Mazars (election campaign starts from there) and in many other Khankas is the vivid proof of my reasoning. 

Person A: What about the so called educated class coming from UK with law degrees of the Baatil to come and implement those on the poor unassuming masses. What about the ultra orthodox puritans who will call Asian muslims “mawla” and “miskins” and deny right of citizenship and civil law to them but they will roll out the red carpet for murderers and thieves!!! Who will judge which is worse and how to go about resolving them.

Person M: What did Rasulullah (PBUH) do first in Macca? He first made all the polytheists understand that their idol worshipping can no more exist in Macca and on earth even. Only this threat against idol worshipping needed to work 13 long years. This threat to social Shirk resulted in a political threat also. Don’t tell me that Rasulullah (PBUH) at the very first place challenged the leadership or political power of Macca.

Person A: I am telling you that from the start the Holy Prophet SAW targeted the top echelon of the Makkan political leadership because politics is the highest social grouping in any community which must surrender to ALLAH swt as the Lord of the Worlds and without this surrender Islam can not be established in the land as the Divine way from ALLAH swt.

What was the strength ratio of polytheists and monotheists in Madina? And what is that ratio in BD? Before acheiving that faith ratio of Madina why do people dream of starting making everything in BD like Madina by giving justification that Prophet (PBUH) did that. Why don’t they consider the situation and time required for the Prophet (PBUH) to do so?

Person A:  ALLAH gives to whom HE wills “be ghaire hisaab”. We only do our job and leave the sustainer with HIS, ia. 

I hope you are not going to call me enemy of Islam and paid survant for my this query because sometimes (perhaps all the time) self criticism is very much require to strengthen your idea and effort.  

But I am not against the possibility that may be Khilafa will be established under a strong leadership somewhere outside BD before you can oust the prevailing political power of BD and that Khilafa will take over the whole world including BD. If that possibility is stronger than your possbility of getting Khilafa seperately here in BD, then what should be your strategy now—work to establish Khilafa here or work to make the environment here for the global Khilafa to take it over easily?

Person A:  Lets try to realise that our shahadah demands something from us before we can judge our situation in one way or another. Inshallah, I hope you will not stop thinking about this all important matter and hopefully you will get free time to reply very soon, ia.

 JazakAllah Khair for your patience.


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